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Kabir Altaf's avatar

I vaguely remember reading this book. It was really well written but even then I thought it felt too much like "trauma porn". Personally, I find repeated sexual abuse in fiction to be quite off putting.

I don't really mind so much that Yanigihara is a woman. The whole point of fiction is that writers imagine the lives of people who are different from themselves. But the book was so unrelentingly tragic. In that way, it fed into stereotypes that queer stories are inevitably tragic.

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Mark McCormick's avatar

Wow. Lots of comments below by people who haven't read it. Caleb, I respect you, but I disagree with your premise that a straight (or straightish or whatever) Asian woman can't write about gay men. Note that one of the main characters, one of the four, doesn't identify as being gay. He just loves one of the other men, deeply.

It's fiction. Fiction is fiction. We get to make things up, to imagine. I write about straight people all the time. I'm gay. Does that make my POV about straight people invalid? I've spent a lifetime observing them.

You said in your opening paragraph that after you finished the audiobook and you found it it wasn't based on anything, that it was made up--then you stopped feeling "reverence"--which is how you described feeling before you knew that factoid. That's confusing to me. Not all fiction needs to be drawn solely, or even partially, on the authors racial, gender, sexual identification, as it seems like you're suggesting. She's telling a story. The story has characters. Add plot. But the germ of fiction is in the imagination.

I remember being in the audience at a screening of The Kids Are Alright by queer filmmaker Lisa Cholodenko. In the Q&A someone took issue with the fact that one of the lesbian characters slept with a man. They challenged the *politics* of that choice. Cholodenko said (paraphrasing), "Hey I just set out to tell a story about these particular character. It's not my job as a filmmaker to advance any particular point of view or agenda. I'm just telling a story."

Maybe we can agree to disagree. I found the book profoundly moving, and however she came across these characters--maybe by direct observation of people she knew, maybe composite, maybe in a fever dream, or maybe just wholly fabricated; it doesn't matter to me.

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